Common Christian Arguments

I found this guy in a facebook group for Stephen Colbert. Wrong place for this argument. This guy threw out all the token creationist/Christian lines.

so where again did this big bang come from?
it was just there?
Some ball of mass blew up creating something that is going on forever?
Your telling me that something non-eternal is blew up and created things, and will still create forever?
You really believe that?
Where's the scientific evidence?
Did you see it yourself?
For that Matter, did ANYONE see it?
Its not a scientific fact if it couldn't be tested? right?

so where again did this god come from?
it was just there?
Some magical spirit just created everything and foreverr?
Your telling me that something non-universal created things, and will still create forever?
You really believe that?
Where's the scientific evidence?
Did you see it yourself?
For that Matter, did ANYONE see it?
Its not a scientific fact if it couldn't be tested? right?

See what I did there??

Corrections: Infinitely small point of energy, but its all relative, I suppose. Not creating anymore. Energy is no longer created. Or Destroyed. The scientific evidence is the cosmic microwave background, and the red shift effect, and some math computations.

Not seeing the big bang is an Argument from Personal Incredulity. Just because you can't explain it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Other people much smarter than you have explained it.

if you believe in this, than you most likely believe in evolution.

and if so, i have an honest question.

If we evolved from apes, then why is there such a great gap and difference between humans and monkeys? why aren't there any partials?

its not like evolution will work if it just skips from monkeys to humans?

same with everyone else, why are there no transition animals, its all separated, for the most part. right?

I don't know if the Christians believe in DNA, but the human and chimpanzee genomes are 99% similar. The reason there isn't a partial is because we didn't come from the Great Ape. We are from a common ancestor. The Homo erectus, evolved to Homo sapien. Do you think And Eve were more "ape-like" creatures? Do you not believe fossil evidence? There is so much evidence for evolution. Creationists have compartmentalized their minds around there religion.

No, that is where faith plays into this.

I don't believe that i am a good person, that left to myself i would not choose to be good.

instead, i know that apart from God, I cant do anything. Apart from Him, I might as well die.

That is just scary. God apparently isn't with him while he works with logic, or in science class.

See thats where we parallel.

People who believe in the big bang can't prove how it got there to begin with.

Nor can Christianity prove where God came from.

The Bible does say that God has been there forever.

That doesn't scientifically prove His existence, but at least it says something.

unlike atheism which
was made up by humans.

Religion was made up by humans. It started by worshiping a snake. Then Polytheism, then monotheism finally came in the 4 century B.C.E. from Greek poet Xenophanes. 500 years later The Romans and the "Jesus Story." Around a hundred years later, Christianity was born.

The science book says evolution and the big bang happened, it says something too. The bible was written by people.

you really believe all that stuff is there for no reason?

Yes

I don't think anyone here would deny the fact that Jesus was a real person. And for those of you who say, He was just a good man. No.

He was either an actual lunatic, a liar, or actually God.

Lunatics dont have people follow them, or perform miracles, or raise themselves from the dead.

Charles Mason.

Also there are many historians trying to figure out if there was actually a Jesus. Maybe it's on Kellan Stec's Blog. I don't know though. Google it if not.

Science/Pride of Race

There is really less than .001% difference in any of the races on a DNA level. Melanin in the skin, maybe some facial features. There are evolutionary adaptations that we get from early human ancestors. Melanin, what causes the skin to be darker when you get a tan, the colour skin that our pre-human ancestor had. Melanin protects for the suns light and UV rays. As groups of humans migrated further from the equator, there was less sunlight, not enough to make Vitamin E, the production of which is triggered by sunlight. So these smaller tribes evolve and adapt, the people with less melanin have a better chance of living long enough to reproduce. Then people migrated to Europe became lighter to survive, some moved to India, had to get darker again, more sun. It was relatively recently when the seas froze into glaciers, the sea level lowered, and the first humans came to the Americas. Now they had clothes though, so the sun was as much as a factor on them. As they moved further south, they got a little darker again, but not like the populations native to Africa.

Dominant features, such as the Asian eyelids, or tall skinny Africans, (all races have them), are merely due to the bottle neck effect. There was a large diverse group, then the ice age that lowered sea levels killed off most of the populations around the globe. So quickly that there wasn't time to adapt by passing genes down from one generation to the next. So what you are left with is just random features.

They may be adaptive for some reason or another, a lanky body in Africa would be a way to regulate body temperature, as opposed to a stocky body further North. Larger or smaller nostrils depending on the heat of the air affecting how thin the are is. Remember we were still chasing down food, being able to breathe well was important.

So really, it's no more than simple evolutionary biology. It's just genes. Not different enough to be different species. Still all people. Whether you are black or white, just depends on what set of chromosomes, or genes, your parents gave you, and grandparents gave them, 8 great grandparents them and so on. 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512. Ten generations back and you are talking about 512 different sets of chromosomes from 512 people. Who each have 512 from the last ten generations. It's like having blue eyes, hitchhikers thumb, a uni-brow, hairy feet. It's just more noticeable. Saying you are proud to be black or white is like saying you are proud that you have and innie belly button, or hairy feet.

If you want to be proud, be proud you raised good families, run a successful business, be proud of your talents. Be proud of your kids for what they do, your friends, you ancestors for what they did, not where they are from. Anyone can live in Ireland/Africa/Topeka. It only separates us to be proud of where you live, what race you are, or how hairy their toes are.

What to do if you meet an athiests...

My Three Favourite Things

The Atheist Alliance International Convention was held recently, and in response to it, here is what Rush Limbaugh had to say:

“In his speech, [Oxford professor Richard] Dawkins portrayed a black-and-white intellectual battle between atheism and religion. He denounced the ‘preposterous nonsense of religious customs’ and compared religion to racism. He also gave no quarter to moderate or liberal believers, asserting that ’so-called moderate Christianity is simply an evasion.’ … While Harris said he believed science must ultimately destroy religion, he also discussed spirituality and mysticism and called for a greater understanding of allegedly spiritual phenomena. He also cautioned the audience against lumping all religions together. … [H]e noted that radical Islam was far more threatening than any radical Christian sect, adding that Christians had a right to be outraged when the media treated the two religions similarly.” Now, what’s this got to do with global warming? If you get rid of “organized” religion — and they’re not going to succeed, but this is who these people are. If you get rid of “organized” religion, it sets the stage for unorganized religion, which is what global warming is. I forget the brilliant… It might have been Chesterton, G. K. Chesterton, who said, “If you don’t believe in God, you can be led to believe anything.”

If you don’t believe in God, you have no meaning in your life, and you will thus search for meaning, and you will find it anywhere. Most people, even atheists, want religion of some kind in their life. Hello, global warming, as a substitute — apparently unrecognized and not even organized — religion. Yet it is. So you can set the stage for more people, if the atheists were to ever get their way, of establishing global warming as an unofficial religion that does force people to behave in religious ways just to a false god: the earth, a tangible god. By the way, there’s another thing, another character that all major religions require, and the same thing can be said of man made global warming, and that characteristic that both require is “faith.” Because, when you get down to it, nobody can prove their religion is true. That’s why there is faith, and that’s why faithful people frighten those who have no faith, because faithful people realize there’s something larger than themselves. The global warming people essentially are atheists. You cannot believe in the God of Creation and believe man made global warming. You just can’t. You might run around and say, “I don’t want to destroy God’s creation.” God’s laughing at you. You can’t! He could, but you can’t. You can’t create it; you can’t destroy it. You might be changing it. We adapt to it. We have to adapt to it. Every living thing has to adapt to nature in order to thrive.

Three of my favourite things, Fundamentalist Religion, global warming denial, and Rush.

But really, this part:

You just can’t. You might run around and say, “I don’t want to destroy God’s creation.” God’s laughing at you. You can’t! He could, but you can’t. You can’t create it; you can’t destroy it.

Really? (Long sigh) People listen to him. Really? Fuck.

This is filled with logical fallacies, but the one that stood out to me was a Non-Sequiter, "Doesn't follow" in Latin, Whether you believe in God is completely unrelated to global temperature.