This comment starts with Joe quoting me, then following up with his comment:
"For us it is that we can look at what science has figured out, everything from the big bang, to how the earth formed, and evolution (and yes I mean macroevolution). If all of these are the known and proven facts, that takes away the three big things you would need a God to do. You don't need him to create the universe, create the Earth, or create life."
For ME, the only reason I'm NOT an atheist is because of what science has figured out.
The big bang--ok, the universe is expanding, and that has been scientifically proven via the Doppler effect. So, science did it's job there. Now for my logic of that fact: something can theoretically expand for an infinite amount of time, but nothing can negatively expand for an infinite amount of time. everything that is expanding HAD to have started from a single point. It's like a ball in space. if you throw it, it can go on in motion forever. so, if you see a ball in space that is moving, you know that it had to have been thrown at some point in time. that's the way i see the universe....because it is presently expanding, somebody had to have thrown it in the beginning.
Macroevolution--evolution w/n a species has been proven and even observed. more resistant strains of bacteria and viruses (whether living or not....that's another argument) present themselves regularly. That's what makes MRSA so dangerous. however, macroevolution just doesn't make sense to me. It has never been scientifically proven, nor has it been deemed plausible by many scientists who have objectively investigated it. one of the best examples I can give is the mule....it's a crossbreed, but it's sterile. "
I'm am so excited that I came back onto this. First things first, just a typo, but a major one. Microevolution is change within a species, like the beak of the finch. Macroevolution comes about after thousands of years of microevolution, not from to different species mating, like a horse and donkey. Donkeys and horses are actually a great example of two closely related species that have grown apart just enough that they cannot breed together. The reason for this is that the way the the genes have been arranged on chromosome. A horse has 64 chromosomes, and a donkey has 62, so when they mate they can make a mule, it has all the information. When the mule is ready to go through meiosis to create sex cells, eggs or sperm, the difference in the number of chromosomes keeps the chromosome pairs from lining up correctly. This puts too many or to few chromosomes into the attempted offspring and it can't grow. (BTW the same thing is the cause of seedless watermelon)
everything that is expanding HAD to have started from a single point. It's like a ball in space. if you throw it, it can go on in motion forever. so, if you see a ball in space that is moving, you know that it had to have been thrown at some point in time.
The universe did start from a singularity, just a dimensionless something in nothing. Then for one reason or another, there was a giant explosion the the energy and mass combined as energy. When this happened, 3 dimensions where created and TIME started. Time did start, before this there was not time, there was a beginning to time.
From Garrett
different parts of time are not reality, they just are kind of made by us to make sense for us.
This was used for the argument that God is OUTSIDE of time. Time isn't a concept that was just thought up. Time is used in equations just like x, y, and z for position in the three dimensions. As Albert would say, it's a relative.
From Joe
how the earth was formed--dunno
There is very clear evidence of the Earth being formed by space rock early in the life of our solar system. The evidence has to do with the type of isotopes found throughout the solar system, more complicated than I understand, but it is known. It was on "The Universe" on Discovery or National Geo. I think there is an episode of Astronomy cast about it.
Joe also used the word prove a lot. Science isn't progressed by proving hypotheses correct. It is progressed by the disproving of null hypotheses. So science will never be exactly 100% sure about anything, but sure enough to bet about everything on the theories that we know. There are not many scientists walking around not agreeing with evolution. These scientists and professors have trouble holding onto jobs for a reason.
I'm glad I went back over the old comments and checked these out. I think the scariest thing about Joe's comments about evolution is that he plans to be a doctor. Biology is pretty important in medicine. Anyone who knows Joe knows that he is smart. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like a great example of compartmentalizing the brain to make a God make sense.
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